Roth conversions easier, but are they right?

BOSTON (MarketWatch)—Good news if you’re among the millions of Americans who have a 401(k) plan. The so-called fiscal-cliff bill includes a provision that lets workers with 401(k)s, 403(b)s and other defined-contribution plans convert to a Roth at any time.

Under previous regulations, plan participants could only take such a step after three qualifying events: Changing jobs, retirement, or reaching age 59½.

“Basically, the new rule simply means you can now do intraplan 401(k) conversions from traditional to Roth in the same manner you can do so for IRAs,” according to Michael Kitces’ blog, the Nerd’s Eye View.

Kitces notes in his blog, ATRA will now allow individuals to convert their existing 401(k) plan to a Roth 401(k) plan, if the employer offers designated Roth accounts under the plan, regardless of whether the individual is allowed to take a distribution out of the plan.

But even if you’re able to do a conversion doesn’t mean that you should, say experts. In fact, deciding whether a Roth conversion (inside a 401(k) or with an IRA) is a good deal or not depends on several individual-specific factors, according to Kitces, who’s written extensively about the subject.

Read “Roth vs Traditional IRA: The Four Factors That Determine Which Is Best.”

One of the first rules is that Roth conversions are not for everyone,” said Denise Appleby, the CEO of Appleby Retirement Consulting. “No financial or tax strategy comes in a one-size-fits-all box, and that includes Roth conversions.”

So when might a Roth conversion make sense?

Appleby said the following are some of the cases in which Roth conversions may make sense:

  • The IRA owner wants to leave a tax-free inheritance to his beneficiaries, and does not care how much it costs him to pay the taxes now, even if it would cost more if he pays the taxes instead of his beneficiaries paying the taxes.
  • The results of comprehensive Roth conversion analysis shows that a Roth conversion will very likely make good tax/financial sense.
  • The IRA owner is at the lower end of the tax-rate scale now, and will very likely be in a much higher tax-rate scale as his income increases including during retirement.
  • The IRA owner has enough deductions and tax credits to offset the tax bill that would be due on the Roth conversion.

Appleby also noted that income tax is only one of the many factors that need to be considered when deciding whether a Roth conversion is suitable or not. “Individuals should consult with a tax or financial professional who can perform a Roth conversion analysis to determine suitability,” she said.

Jeffrey Levine, an IRA technical consultant with Ed Slott and Company, said tax and financial software can be a great tool to help a person understand the consequences of a conversion.

However, when it’s time to decide whether it’s a good move to do a Roth conversion or not, Levine likes to focus on what he calls “The 3 Big Questions.”

The first question is when will you need the money, Levine said. “If the answer is soon, say 10 years or less, the Roth conversion usually doesn’t make sense,” he said. “If they don’t plan on using the money until later, the Roth might make sense.”

The second question is where the money to pay the tax on the conversion is going to come from. “If someone has to take money out of their IRA or Roth IRA to pay the tax, it almost never makes sense to convert,” Levine said. “The numbers just don’t add up. So there generally has to be enough ‘outside’ money to cover the cost.”

And third question is what your future tax rate will be. And the answer to this question depends not only on future tax rates, but future income. “In the past, most of the client’s I’ve worked have felt their tax rates would be higher in the future,” he said. “I think it will be interesting to see how the new ‘permanent’ income-tax rates affect answers to this question.”

Diversify tax risk

Ben Norquist, the president and CEO of Convergent Retirement Plan Solutions, has a different point of view. “Given the fact that Roth savings can help individuals diversify their tax risk as well has help provide them with greater withdrawal flexibility after reaching age 70½, we think the best approach is to get people thinking about what portion of their overall tax-sheltered savings should be allocated to Roth savings as opposed to looking at the Roth conversion question as an ‘all-or-nothing’ proposition,” he said.

Historically, many have made the mistake of being overly simplistic when it comes to gauging the potential benefits of Roth savings from a tax-risk perspective, Norquist said. “Since overall taxable household income is often less in retirement than prior to retirement, some have historically argued that most individuals will not benefit from Roth savings as their top marginal tax bracket in retirement is likely to be comparable, or perhaps even lower, than the top marginal rate they were subject to prior to retirement.”

This simplistic argument fails to account for two fundamental considerations, he said. “One, by having one’s retirement savings diversified between traditional pretax savings and Roth savings, one is afforded significantly greater flexibility in navigating the complex, ever-changing federal tax laws, said Norquist.

For example, one might be able to avoid increased taxation of his or her Social Security benefits, or avoid increased Medicare premiums by using tax-free Roth withdrawals to keep taxable income below a given threshold.

And two, given the country’s overall fiscal situation, many believe marginal income-tax rates are likely to rise in the future for all taxpayers—notwithstanding the recent legislation extending the Bush-era tax cuts for the majority of American taxpayers, said Norquist.

Another advantage of doing a Roth conversion is that it gives you what Norquist calls withdrawal flexibility. “Unlike traditional IRA and traditional 401(k) savings, Roth savings are not subject to mandatory distribution requirements once an individual reaches age 70½,” he said. “While this Roth feature is of little advantage to those who anticipate withdrawing an amount equal to (or greater than) their ‘required minimum distribution’ or RMD, this feature can provide significant tax shelter extension for those who are able to take advantage of it.”

By delaying withdrawal of tax-sheltered savings beyond age 70½ (or, even withdrawing something less than the conventional RMD amount), Norquist said “you are able to increase the leverage of their tax shelter, either providing increased security for future retirement years, or increasing the value of a financial legacy that can be left to heirs on a tax-sheltered basis.”

Norquist noted that Roth 401(k) amounts that remain in a Roth 401(k) beyond age 70½ do become subject to the required distribution rules, but this drawback is easily overcome by rolling one’s Roth 401(k) amounts to a Roth IRA prior to the year you turn age 70½, thereby avoiding the RMD requirements.

As for the conventional wisdom that suggest that you should only consider a Roth conversion if you have the financial resources available outside of your retirement savings to pay the tax due on a Roth conversion, Norquist had this to say: “While this general rule of thumb is typically accurate for someone under age 59½ who would likely incur a 10% early withdrawal penalty as well as income tax liability on any retirement savings used to pay for the conversion, it should be taken with a grain of salt by those over age 59½,” he said. “While paying for a Roth conversion with ‘outside savings’ (i.e., savings that are not taken form a tax-sheltered account) is typically the most advantageous way to convert, individuals over age 59½ should not rule out a partial Roth conversion simply due to the fact that they would need to use retirement savings to pay for the conversion.”

Concerns about the new provision

For the record, Levine also expressed a big concern about the new in-plan conversion feature: It doesn’t allow for an in-plan recharacterization—the ability to undo the conversion.

“I think this new provision will prove to be a double-edged sword,” he said. “On one hand, it opens up new Roth possibilities for many workers and I suspect many of them will look to seize on this opportunity.”

His fear, however, is that the lack of a recharacterization option will come back to haunt many of these converters. “For instance, what happens when one of these workers loses their job and can’t afford to pay the tax on the conversion anymore?”

If the conversion was made to a Roth IRA, there’s no problem. “But there’s no mechanism to recharacterize an in-plan conversion so that tax bill is going to have to be paid one way or another,” Levine said. “And IRS is not a creditor you want to owe money to. It’s one of the few debts you can’t wipe out in bankruptcy.”

Another question he posed: What happens when someone converts $1 million is their plan, but the market tanks and by the following year it’s only worth half that? Well, if it’s an in-plan conversion you’re stuck paying tax on $1 million even though you now only have $500,000.

Robert Powell

 

Robert Powell is a featured writer on the MarketWatch Retirement blog, a Research Fellow at the California Institute of Finance, and  a Featured Contributor here on the CIF blog.

What Happens To My 401(k) At Retirement?

You have been saving into your 401(k) for years, and are finally approaching retirement. What will happen to your account? What choices do you have, and what should you do? You actually have a couple of options, and several pitfalls to be aware of. Some of these pitfalls could cost you big time, so be sure to stay on top of them!

Options
1. Rollover to an IRA

After you have officially separated from your employer, you can rollover your 401(k) to an IRA. Rollover just means that the money goes from one account to another without being taxed. If you have contributed to a Roth 401(k), the money can be rolled to a Roth IRA. Employer contributions and Traditional 401(k) contributions can be rolled to a Traditional IRA.

2. Leave your 401(k) alone

Many 401(k) plans allow you to leave your 401(k) with your old employer. This is the simplest option, because you don’t have to do anything. Evaluate the investment choices and fees within your 401(k) compared to rolling it over to an IRA. Usually it makes sense to do a rollover, but leaving it alone is certainly an option.

3. Take a distribution

You can take a full distribution from your 401(k). You will have to pay ordinary income tax rates on the distribution, and could be subject to penalties if done before age 55. This is the least attractive option for most people. It is usually better to spread the taxes across many years instead of paying them all at once.

Pitfalls
1. Rolling over before age 59 ½

Did you know that you can take distributions from your 401(k) before age 59 ½ penalty free? If you retire/quit/get fired in the year you turn 55 or later, you can take distributions from your 401(k) with paying the 10% penalty; this is known as a 72(t) distribution. Money withdrawn from an IRA before age 59 ½ will be penalized. So if you are 57 years old and plan on taking some money out of your 401(k) before 59 ½, you may not want to do a rollover until you turn 59 ½.

2. Changing your mind about distribution

You have the option to take a full distribution from your 401(k). The employer is required by law to withhold 20% of the distribution for taxes. If within 60 days you decide that you should have put the money put into an IRA, you can do so penalty and tax free. The catch? You don’t get access to the 20% withheld for taxes, which means you have to come up with money to make up for that amount. Otherwise, you will get taxed on the 20% withheld for taxes, and could even hit with a penalty! Sometimes 401(k) administrators make a mistake and send you a check instead of your IRA, so this could happen accidentally. Be sure you instruct the administrator to rollover your 401(k) by sending the check directly to the custodian holding your IRA, and not to send you any money.

When you decide which option is best for you, just be sure to stay on top of the process. There will be a lot of paperwork, but you want to be sure nothing goes awry! So what do you think? Have you ever thought about what you will do with your 401(k) once you hit retirement? Feel free to share in the comments section!

Alan Moore

 

Alan Moore is the founder of Serenity Financial Consulting. He is a Certified Financial Planner (CFP) and a Certified Retirement Counselor, author of the Serenity Financial Consulting Blog, and a featured contributor here on the California Institute of Finance blog.

Roth 401(k)’s and Roth IRA’s – What You Need To Know

Roth IRA’s were first introduced in 1997, and have steadily become a very popular retirement account. The term Roth refers to how contributions to the account, and growth within the account, are taxed. With Traditional IRA’s, you are able to take a tax deduction on any money you contribute. You will pay taxes on the money when you take it out of the account, presumably in retirement. When you contribute money to a Roth IRA, you are not allowed to take a tax deduction, but the money grows tax free and you can take it out in retirement without paying any taxes on growth.

Needless to say, the thought of having money grow in an account tax free is very tempting for many savers. Most of my clients opt for the tax free growth of a Roth IRA over the tax deduction that a Traditional IRA allows.

Roth 401(k)’s have been around a while, but are just now becoming popular benefit for employers to offer. Roth 401(k)’s work the same as Roth IRA’s, in that you can contribute money and pay the taxes today, and it will grow tax-free until you take the money out.

How much can you contribute to a Roth?

You can contribute $5,000 ($6,000 if you are over 50) to a Roth IRA for 2012. You don’t even have to do it this year – you can actually make the contribution for 2012 as late as April 15th of 2013.

You can also contribute $17,000 ($22,500 if you are over 50) to a Roth 401(k) for 2012. These contributions have to be made by the end of the year however.

One interesting note about Roth 401(k)’s is that employer matching contribution can NOT be put into your Roth account. Employer matching funds must be put into a separate account that works the same as a traditional 401(k), and is therefore tax deductible. This is just fine though, as it gives you some tax diversification in your retirement accounts.

So can I only contribute to one?

No! You can contribute to both a Roth IRA and a Roth 401(k). You can put away $22,000 ($28,500) combined into Roth accounts for 2012. And if you are married, you can put another $5,000 into a Roth IRA for them. A married couple that both have access to Roth 401(s)’s can save $44,000 into Roth accounts, or $57,000 if they are both over 50.  Being able to save THAT MUCH into a Roth account is amazing!

Just remember, you can save into a Roth IRA AND a Roth 401(k) in the same year. And if you have the ability to max out contributions into both accounts, then go for it. If you aren’t there yet, be sure you are taking full advantage of your employer match for your Roth 401(k) and maxing out your Roth IRA. You will be well on your way to a solid retirement plan.

So, did you know you could use both a Roth IRA and a Roth 401(k)? Have you been contributing to one but not the other? Please share in the comments section!

Alan Moore

 

Alan Moore is the founder of Serenity Financial Consulting. He is a Certified Financial Planner (CFP) and a Certified Retirement Counselor, author of the Serenity Financial Consulting Blog, and a featured contributor here on the California Institute of Finance blog.

Investing in Your 20′s and How to Avoid the Ramen Noodle Dilemma

investing in your 20sAs a child growing up, I remember my father constantly eating Ramen Noodles in a Styrofoam cup.

It was pretty fascinating that all you had to do was add hot water, and presto, you had a ready to eat meal in a few minutes.

Perfect for an impatient kid!

As I got older I started to notice that the package of Ramen Noodles still existed in our kitchen.

My father had always struggled with money.

He had battled credit card debt and never really made good financial “cents” of his money.

I guess I always just thought that he really liked the cup of Ramen Noodles.

I later found it there was much more to the story.

All Too Familiar Feeling

I remember my first year as a financial advisor.  I was meeting with a couple in their early 60s.  At the time, I was 24 years old and already started a Roth IRA and was quickly learning the proper ways to invest in your 20s.  I remember this couple in particular because while many people get excited about retiring and starting a new venture in their life, with these folks, retirement was nowhere in the near future.

Combined, they had maybe $50,000 saved in their retirement investment accounts combined.  Their jobs offered no pensions, so all they had was social security.

I remember looking at this couple, and eerily, I saw similarities with my father. They had no hope of retiring.  They had done a horrible job of saving.

The Ramen Noodles Jolt

This meeting instantly made me realize that I did not want to follow in their footsteps.

I knew that I did not want to be in my early 60s and be forced to be eating cup of Ramen Noodle soup.

I didn’t want to have to worry about not ever being able to retire.  I know at the age of 24, I was thinking much more different than my peers.  None of my friends talked about retirement.  We talked about the next trips that we were going to go on, what concerts we wanted to go see, still reflecting back on the good old college days.

Investing in Your 20s Isn’t Cool, It’s a Must

I write this because if you are in your 20s, I know you’re thinking the exact same thing.  What’s the point of investing?  What’s the point of saving?  What’s the point of even thinking about retirement?

Here’s one thing I know, you don’t want to be eating Ramen Noodles for dinner for the rest of your life.  It might be good every once in a while, but I promise you, you get sick and tired of it.

So, why is it so important to start investing early in your 20s?

Most young people just don’t get it.  They think they have plenty of time to start thinking about retirement.  While, yes that’s true, what most don’t understand or appreciate is that the sooner you start, the easier it is.

You don’t want to discover you’ve waited until it is too late to retire.

For example, look at this chart.  This chart was something that was shown to me whenever I was junior in college.  The chart literally blew me away.

The chart has two young adults that should be investing in their 20s: Super Saver Parker who starts at the age of 25 and Super Slacker Sloane. Both graduate with good paying jobs and have well enough income to start contributing to a Roth IRA.

Super Saver Parker starts putting $2,000 a year into his Roth IRA ($166.67 per month).   He does this for a total of 10 years and stops for a grand total of $20,000 he put in.  Why does he stop?   Don’t ask. That’s just part of the illustration.

Super Slacker Sloane puts off saving because he wants to buy “stuff” (otherwise knows as “crap you don’t need”).  He finally gets it and starts putting $2,000 a year starting at the age of 35. Wanting to catch Parker, he puts in $2,000 a year for 30 years contributing $60,000 in total – $40,000 more than Parker.  *We’re assuming that they both average 8% return on their money. 

After they showed this chart to me in my finance class, the question that was then asked was,

“Who will have more money at the age of 65?”

I remember my initial thought was “Duh, the guy who put in $40,000 of course!“.

Hmmm…..oh how wrong I was.

Super Saver Parker 10 Years of Contributions Super Slacker Sloane 30 Years of Contribution
25 $2,000 25 -
26 $2,000 26 -
27 $2,000 27 -
28 $2,000 28 -
29 $2,000 29 -
30 $2,000 30 -
31 $2,000 31 -
32 $2,000 32 -
33 $2,000 33 -
34 $2,000 34 -
35 - 35 $2,000
36 - 36 $2,000
37 - 37 $2,000
38 - 38 $2,000
39 - 39 $2,000
40-65 - 40-65 $50,000
Total Contributions $20,000 $60,000
Ending Account Value $340,060 $266,427
*BIG* Difference

$73,633

The reality is that the person who started 10 years earlier (preferably in their 20s) had actually made $73,633 more even though they put in $40,000 less.

 Maybe a Chart Involving Beer Will Help?

Not convinced? Here’s something else to look at:

The RothIRA.com Awesome Tower of Beer

Sounds great, right? Being able to retire, not having to eat Ramen, being able to drink a gigantic tower of beer… all wonderful.

Start Saving for Retirement In Your 20s

No matter which broker you go with or what investment philosophy you end up selecting… please do not delay in starting your retirement savings.  Investing in your 20s is the absolute way to go.  Literally every day that goes by without saving for the future the harder you will need to work and save to meet the same goal.

Let your money work for you by giving it the maximum amount of time to be invested. Don’t end up eating Ramen Noodles and waiting for your next Social Security check. That’s no way to live your golden years.

Jeff Rose

 

Jeff Rose is a Certified Financial Planner, co-founder of Alliance Investment Planning Group, author of the “Good Financial Cents” blog and a featured contributor here on the “CIF Blog”.

 

What Exactly is a Roth IRA?

Roth IRA’s (Individual Retirement Account) were introduced in 1997 by Senator William Roth. 15 years later, there is still a lot of confusion about what they actually are, and who should use them. Prior to 1997, there were only IRA’s (now called Traditional IRA’s to differentiate them from Roth IRA’s). You could put money into a Traditional IRA each year, and deduct your contribution on your tax return. This meant you didn’t have to pay income taxes on your Traditional IRA contribution. The money would then grow tax deferred, so you didn’t pay taxes on the growth every year. When you pulled money out of the Traditional IRA, you were taxed at your personal tax rate. This was a pretty good deal, because instead of paying taxes the year you earned the money and made the contribution, you were basically able to invest the taxes and allow it to earn money in the market.

Roth IRA’s were introduced to allow consumers to switch the way they were being taxed. With a Roth IRA, you have to pay taxes on your contributions, but the money is then able to grow tax free. When you take money out of the Roth IRA, it won’t be taxed. The downside is you don’t get to invest (and get a return) on your tax dollars. There are other differences between Traditional and Roth IRA’s but we will get into those in a future post.

The most common question people ask is who should be using a Roth IRA? For many of my clients, the Roth IRA makes the most sense. If you are in the same tax bracket when you take money out of an IRA as you were when you contributed the money, then it doesn’t matter if you use a Roth IRA or Traditional IRA; your final balance will be the same. The only time I recommend Traditional IRA’s for clients is if they know they will have a much lower tax rate when they are taking money out of their IRA than they have today. Even if you will be in the same tax bracket in the future, the other benefits of the Roth IRA make it much more appealing than the Traditional IRA.

A common misconception about Roth IRA’s is people believe they are an investment. I frequently hear “I am going to invest in a Roth.” Think of an IRA (Roth or Traditional) as a bank account that the government has simply decided to tax differently, and has put some strict rules in place affecting how you can take your money out. Once you deposit money into the IRA, it will simply be invested in cash. You have to actually purchase mutual funds, stocks, or bonds in order to earn a return.

One major complaint I hear about Roth IRA’s is a general lack of trust in the government to let them grow tax free. There is fear that in 20 years, the government might come along and say “We are sorry, but we lied… you have to pay a 25% tax on your Roth IRA.” If this were to actually happen, it would have made more sense to use the Traditional IRA, but then again, who’s to say the government will leave them alone? I can’t predict the future, but I do know that the government would be angering A LOT of investors with a move like that.

So how do you open a Roth IRA? If you want to do it on your own, I recommend using www.Vanguard.com, but www.tdameritrade.com and www.schwab.com are good options as well. Another option is the find a fee-only financial planner that will help get you started, and will give some investment recommendations as well. Simply open an account, and start saving! You can put $5,000 into your Roth IRA this year ($6,000 if you are over 50!). If possible, I highly recommend putting the maximum amount into your Roth IRA this year.

If you take nothing else away from this post, know that Roth IRA’s are AWESOME. Roth IRA’s (and now Roth 401(k)’s) give you the ability to pay the taxes now, and get tax free growth for the rest of your life. That is a pretty sweet deal.

So what do you think? Do you already have a Roth IRA? If not, have I convinced you to go open one? Let me know what you think in the comments section!

Alan Moore

 

Alan Moore is the founder of Serenity Financial Consulting. He is a Certified Financial Planner (CFP) and a Certified Retirement Counselor, author of the Serenity Financial Consulting Blog, and a featured contributor here on the California Institute of Finance blog.